Just another day

[hicntry]

Bill took quite a beating Kyle...withoiut his cheer leaders. I got the strangest emal this morning. Time.3:20

"Dear Don Turnipseed,

Someone has tried to log into your account on Working Dog Forum with an incorrect password at least 5 times. This person has been prevented from attempting to login to your account for the next 15 minutes.

The person trying to log into your account had the following IP address: 68.117.112.98

All the best,
Working Dog Forum.

Funny thing is, that IP comes from Wisconson....where two of his cheerleaders are. Gotta wonder which of the two it is.... eh Kyle. Bet Christie can tell. Now, you were saying?

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Kyle, good one! I was going to visit just for entertainment, however, not to respond:)

Bill

[wisgrouser]

I was going to check it out for the entertainment value as well. And to see if Hicntry is as laughable on that board as he is here. Oh well.

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Wis, I like Don and I think he knows a lot more about dogs than I will ever know. However, I like Jon Prescott and several others that have their differences with him. The "bantering" back and forth is probably caused in part by the inability to get your thoughts across on forums like this without misinterpretation. I actually do learn some things because of it.

Bill

[hicntry]

Just got back withn the two dogs and didn't forget the camera today. All the pictures were taken from the truck up on the road.

The dogs are wasting time here but learning all the new scents like ground squirrels here at the old corral. At this point, it doesn't really matter what they are scenting because they are learning what that nose is for out here. They are about 70 yards out here



The dogs are about 250 yards out here and you can just see one moving into the brush. As I drive through the area, they just roam and explore all the new scents. One day soon, they will find a hog , I will kill it, and suddenly that one scent will have real meaning to them. Not a good idea to be shooting ground squirrels for them.



Here, they are about 200 yards out. You can see the rooting in the open field.


Here they are, reluctantly, coming in to the hup. This probably won't be as nice once they get their first hog. At that point, it is best to snap a leash on them while they are gloating over their prize or they will head out looking for another one and hup's aren't going to stop them. LOL

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As an example of misinterpretation. Don used the term "lesser" dogs several times in some of the previous threads that got a lot of reaction from some of the DD guys thinking that Don was referring to their dogs and DD's in general compared to his airedales. I viewing some of the older threads I found that Don used that term to refer to some of his own dogs that were not the alpha or dominate dogs in his pack. So, the term was not used to describe a breed but to describe the position of any dog in comparison to an alpha. At least that is how I understood it to be.

Bill

[DrahtsundBraats]

Don equates "lesser" dogs as being of lesser value...that was the sticking point. He believes firmly that you get the best performance out of pack leaders. He seemed to believe this because he feels that only pack leaders have the requisite confidence, which is the key ingredient. The discussion disproved this theory and that lesser dogs can be confident and capable of the same performance standards. If this is not true, then we have an inordinate amount of pack leaders in the sporting dog world today.

[hicntry]

Your absolutely right Bill. Jon is wrong. The term lesser has to do with status among dogs and has nothing at all to do with value or, really the breed. Nothing at all was proved Jon. You just happen to like middle of the road dogs better because you feel they are bred like true versatiles and that is what you produce. I don't care for the middle of the road dogs and I am not going to deliberatly try to produce them. Just personal preference. What one of us doesn't understand Jon, is that every puppy buyer, looks at a puppies confidence first. I look at it first. You dicount it like it has no place in the versatile world. To each his own I guess.

You may take note Jon, all these pictures have two male dogs in them. That in itself disproves much of what you claimed.

[DrahtsundBraats]

I'd like to try to have a mature discussion ... but before we can, we have to define some terms...in your "lingo", what does "middle of the road" mean?

What one of us doesn't understand Jon, is that every puppy buyer, looks at a puppies confidence first. I look at it first. You dicount it like it has no place in the versatile world.

You have grabbed this contention out of thin air....confidence and stability are the only things that matter...it is not worth looking at a dog if they aren't present. Please quote any statement where I have discounted confidence.

If we want to have the discussion, let's stick to words that we have actually said.

[hicntry]

Actually Jon, if you want to beat that one again, go start your own thread in the appropriate forum. I am showing how a tracking/trailing dog is started here. No leash needed.

If we want to have the discussion, let's stick to words that we have actually said.DrahtsundBraats

You have never done it yet Jon. Why start now. Besides, I gave up on having an intelligent discussion with you. That is why I came down to "Other Breeds". Now your down here. As far as middle of the road dogs go, I didn't think it required a special definition. It's not the top or the bottom dogs. Now, go start your own thread.

[DrahtsundBraats]

I didn't think you could have a serious discussion...you are too busy passing judgment on other people's dogs..."lesser", "middle of the road". You believe that top dogs (pack leaders) have the most confidence, confidence equates to performance thus anyone not breeding such dogs is breeding "lesser' dogs that are "middle of the road dogs". It is all in your previous arguments.

Your dogs would be useless tracking wounded deer....dogs found running deer (wounded or otherwise) or standing over dead deer can be shot in this country...that's why they stay on lead. In addition, tracking wounded game is not officially allowed in many states, but is tolerated if the dog is on lead and no weapon is being carried.

[hicntry]

Well, there will be no more getting in shape driving until these dogs get better judgement. I am up on the road and see BlackJack trailing at a dead run with Magnum not far behind. I am sitting by about 20 head of cattle which I have never seen there on the other trips and I figured they were trailing up the cows. Suddenly as BlackJack hits the brush line I see him doing somersaults over the top of the brush. Green dog was so tied up in the trailing scent he ran right into a big boar....and I am 200 yards away. It was a train wreck. Magnum gave it his best shot and kept the boar off of Jack or it would have killed Jack. BlackJack was bleeding badly but walked back to the truck. I brought him home and shaved the area so I could fix him and as much as I hate to say it. When I saw the damage, I took him to the vet....where he is now. Now this doesn't looks to bad but you have to realize those cutter on that hog were at least 3" maybe 3 1/2".

Thos is what I saw in the field.


This is what I saw when I shaved him.


I draw the line at deep puncture wounds. He wasn't in shock, he was breething fine....but there was a lot of blood most of the time. I am going to be walking with them for a while because I saw two more boars coming out and both had to be over 300 lbs.

[DrahtsundBraats]

Sorry to see that Don. Those deep punctures can be very dangerous and you were best off to have a vet look at those....they'll be draining for some time. Good thing these dogs weren't miles away. Hope the dog recovers well.

[hicntry]

Jack is home and doing fine. Vet said he had to open the wounds up because something was bleeding way to much. Found and artery that was cut. Jack is doing fine but the vet got to me for a huge Elizabethan collar of which I probably have ten here. Since I am not paying him for 30 days I let it slide and just added it to the collection. There is just no way Jack can even reach the spot to lick it. I am watching to see if he even tries. He said that had the tusks gone in straighter and punctured the chest cavity, he wouldn't have made it to the truck.

[hicntry]

Spent some time cleaning and oiling up the 45/70 and the .44 today. Jack gets his stitches out on the 14th. Now that they know what that scent is, we will go down where the hogs stay at the base where three drainages all converge. Next lesson is they find em, I kill them....and they have to bark so I can find them. It'll come together pretty quick now. The most important thing is they have to bark so if I am not right there I can find them quick.