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AKC, AF or NAVHDA dog?

Postby Tenderfoot » Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:38 am

Can someone break down the difference of an AKC, AF or NAVHDA bred dog? I understand there are different test so to speak, but in terms of performance, how is one different than the other. While looking at various kennels and breeders I have come across this several times, where someone will say or advertise they have AKC, AF or NAVDHA bred X dog and ask what it is I’m looking for? I really don’t know how to answer other than I’m looking for a bird finding machine, what option is that?

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Re: AKC, AF or NAVHDA dog?

Postby JONOV » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:26 am

Tenderfoot wrote:Can someone break down the difference of an AKC, AF or NAVHDA bred dog? I understand there are different test so to speak, but in terms of performance, how is one different than the other. While looking at various kennels and breeders I have come across this several times, where someone will say or advertise they have AKC, AF or NAVDHA bred X dog and ask what it is I’m looking for? I really don’t know how to answer other than I’m looking for a bird finding machine, what option is that?

Thanks in advance.

They are, at their heart, just registries.

My dog came with AF papers. So I bought a German Drahthaar and registered him with NAVHDA and AKC later on.

Assuming the dog has been TESTED or TRIALED in competition venues recognized by either organization, that will tell you more about the style of dog depending on what they compete or test in.

IE, a Pointer or Setter out of AF walking shooting dog stakes is going to be a closer working dog than an AF or AKC horseback trial dog.

The narrow exception might be a GSP, where I'd be cautious about a AF line dog if I didn't want a really big running GSP.

What breeds are you looking at?
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Re: AKC, AF or NAVHDA dog?

Postby bwjohn » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:43 am

If you registered to akc, doesn’t that remove the drahthaar registration? I have never heard of a draht being registered to american field? Not being argumentative, just looking to understand the statements.

The difference in the three is very dependent on who you ask and even within the registries there is a great deal of variety in the registries. Start with your hunting style and lists of wants in a dog and work from there.

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Re: AKC, AF or NAVHDA dog?

Postby orhunter » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:06 pm

I'm more concerned if the breeder actually hunts his/her dogs. If they sell pups to non-hunters, if they require field testing of pups and last but not least, pedigree. Just looking at the pedigrees of the breeder's dogs says a lot about the product they're trying to produce. The pedigree thing can be difficult to navigate with a large gene pool and this is where recommendations come in handy. We still need complete trust in the source. There is no simple way to navigate the hunting dog world as it takes considerable time and dedication before it starts to make sense. When I was 5 years into the top shelf Griff world, I realized I didn't know a whole heck of a lot despite having the best teachers. At 7 years, was starting to catch on. Been involved with the breed approaching 25 years and still feel like a freshman in college. The learning never stops, no stone goes unturned.
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Re: AKC, AF or NAVHDA dog?

Postby Tenderfoot » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:08 pm

JONOV wrote:
Tenderfoot wrote:Can someone break down the difference of an AKC, AF or NAVHDA bred dog? I understand there are different test so to speak, but in terms of performance, how is one different than the other. While looking at various kennels and breeders I have come across this several times, where someone will say or advertise they have AKC, AF or NAVDHA bred X dog and ask what it is I’m looking for? I really don’t know how to answer other than I’m looking for a bird finding machine, what option is that?

Thanks in advance.

They are, at their heart, just registries.

My dog came with AF papers. So I bought a German Drahthaar and registered him with NAVHDA and AKC later on.

Assuming the dog has been TESTED or TRIALED in competition venues recognized by either organization, that will tell you more about the style of dog depending on what they compete or test in.

IE, a Pointer or Setter out of AF walking shooting dog stakes is going to be a closer working dog than an AF or AKC horseback trial dog.

The narrow exception might be a GSP, where I'd be cautious about a AF line dog if I didn't want a really big running GSP.

What breeds are you looking at?


I’ve pretty much narrowed it down to a GSP
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Re: AKC, AF or NAVHDA dog?

Postby Tenderfoot » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:14 pm

orhunter wrote:I'm more concerned if the breeder actually hunts his/her dogs. If they sell pups to non-hunters, if they require field testing of pups and last but not least, pedigree. Just looking at the pedigrees of the breeder's dogs says a lot about the product they're trying to produce. The pedigree thing can be difficult to navigate with a large gene pool and this is where recommendations come in handy. We still need complete trust in the source. There is no simple way to navigate the hunting dog world as it takes considerable time and dedication before it starts to make sense. When I was 5 years into the top shelf Griff world, I realized I didn't know a whole heck of a lot despite having the best teachers. At 7 years, was starting to catch on. Been involved with the breed approaching 25 years and still feel like a freshman in college. The learning never stops, no stone goes unturned.


Makes sense and I’ve tried to get a feel for how the breeder hunts with dam/sire to see whether it fits what I’m looking for. I totally get lost reading pedigrees. Some breeders are very receptive and honest whether they have what I’m looking for, and seem genuinely concerned for proper match. Others seem to be annoyed I would dare ask questions about how the parents hunt in terms of their range, size, endurance etc. and almost take the approach of, “I told you there good. Enough said!” Or they won’t even answer.
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Re: AKC, AF or NAVHDA dog?

Postby JONOV » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:04 am

bwjohn wrote:If you registered to akc, doesn’t that remove the drahthaar registration? I have never heard of a draht being registered to american field? Not being argumentative, just looking to understand the statements.

You will notice that nowhere in my post did I mention FCI or the VDD.

If one purchases a dog with an Ahnentafel/Papers from the VDD, it says "Deutsch Drahthaar." If one purchases a dog from a breeder registering AKC or NAVHDA, it says "German Wirehaired Pointer." If one purchases a dog from a litter registered with American Field, or registers his dog with them, the papers say "German Drahthaar" (and they have for 50-60 years.)

Technically, registering outside of the registry with anything other than a restricted registration is verboten from what I know, but I also think they don't have much way of knowing. I know of one DD that finished a show Champion (they had two other non-sporting dogs that she handled in the show rings so she'd add him to the docket and show him) and the husband did all of the JGHV testing with him. I think their bigger gripe is if you breed outside the confines of VDD.
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