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Re: Socialization

Postby hicntry » Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:19 pm

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Re: Socialization

Postby licklick » Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:24 pm

Hicntry, could you define how you understand socialization of young pupies please. So far, it looks like you just keep your pups in bigger crate, which you call "yard".
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Re: Socialization

Postby STait » Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:00 am

Some pups are born with more desire to be around humans than others, even out of the same litter. Is that independence, or Are they just not as social? My puppies learn to really enjoy my presence because I expose them to interesting things every day. The bigger and bolder they get, the bigger and bolder the environment is that I expose them to. At 4 weeks old they may not be ready to be exposed to a ride in the truck, but by 5 weeks they are. By 7 weeks they have been exposed to so much that they are bold and confident no matter where you take them. They still test new things but only cautiously not fearfully, if that makes sense.
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Re: Socialization

Postby hicntry » Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:29 am

licklick wrote:Hicntry, could you define how you understand socialization of young pupies please. So far, it looks like you just keep your pups in bigger crate, which you call "yard".


Do the pups follow me like the pied pip[er or not? That is socialization plus they experience swimming . adverse weather , dogs etc, etc. Socialization is getting them ready to face the world.....preferably without boring them to death in the process . As for the larger crate, that is pretty simple minded .....maybe in the house or roaming to streets would be better suited to your idea of socialization.
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Re: Socialization

Postby hicntry » Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:02 am

STait wrote:Some pups are born with more desire to be around humans than others, even out of the same litter. Is that independence, or Are they just not as social? My puppies learn to really enjoy my presence because I expose them to interesting things every day. The bigger and bolder they get, the bigger and bolder the environment is that I expose them to. At 4 weeks old they may not be ready to be exposed to a ride in the truck, but by 5 weeks they are. By 7 weeks they have been exposed to so much that they are bold and confident no matter where you take them. They still test new things but only cautiously not fearfully, if that makes sense.


I don't personally think all dogs need as much handling. The weaker ones need it. The trick is knowing them when you see them. Here is a startle test being done on one of these pups.The pup is supposed to have a startle reaction, recover and come back and inspect the can. Tests like this are mixed in the whole time so I actually know what the dogs bring to the table.
http://vidmg.photobucket.com/albums/v40 ... /00242.mp4


STait, I think you are right about some dogs just being more people oriented....and no amount of socialization is going to change the genetics....
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Re: Socialization

Postby licklick » Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:09 am

The link Misskiwi posted summarizes whats whens and hows of socialization. Pretty much how I see it too. Roaming the streets with the puppy is a small but important part of it.
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Re: Socialization

Postby STait » Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:42 am

hicntry, that is a good test, and for my pups I would use a bird so they can have their most loved possession to hold on to. I do a scent "seeking" test with hot dog bits to see which pup will start "hunting" for them first. All the pups figure it out eventually, but some go to hunting the first or second time out. It may not really tell me much, but I believe it shows a glimpse of the mental maturity of the individual pups. I thoroughly enjoy a pup that starts seeking birds at a young age because that really is what they are born to do. They all eventually figure out hunting birds through exposure to birds, but to see a pup that hunts as if it's his reason for living, and at a young age, for me, is the epitome of a bird dog. I have one right now that is the total package, and he was the first in his litter to start "hunting" for hot dogs;-)

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Re: Socialization

Postby vman » Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:27 pm

https://www.facebook.com/10997991574826 ... 559300197/

Hopefully you can see this video. It is a female Vizsla hunting at 10 weeks. I did not throw birds down for this pup. She had to find them. Genetics and proper socialization. I don`r care how many hotdogs they can find.
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Re: Socialization

Postby vman » Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:34 pm

https://www.facebook.com/10997991574826 ... 979300555/

Another of Junebug at 10 weeks. These birds are out there from big dog training earlier in the day. This is out of the box folks. Pups raised inside are not going to do this.
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Re: Socialization

Postby vman » Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:38 pm

And one more. These pups are 4 weeks old. https://www.facebook.com/10997991574826 ... 247425393/

I want bold pups, not pups that are scared of something new.
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Rockwoods Beretta UT PZ1 193pts.
Rockwoods Kivalo Maverick UT PZ1 196 pts.
VC Rockwoods Kivalo Supertramp UT PZ1 204 pts
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Re: Socialization

Postby hicntry » Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:14 pm

Great video's Vman. I love to see pups grow when handled right. I couldn't bring up the last one. It is also great to someone that learned from doing instead of becoming an expert because they read a couple of studies on the net. Here are a couple of shots of young pups coming along. People just can't understand what actually needs to take place to produce bold solid pups.

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Re: Socialization

Postby STait » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:21 pm

Nice videos guys, and since you like videos, here's a few.

Hotdog seeker at 11 weeks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hprM8rOR-Vs

Same pup hunting birds at 10 months old https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk2wa68IyQc

Same pup seeking birds from horseback, but you won't see him until the last seconds of the video when she zooms in, at the left of the screen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYmj_f8-r5c

And, finally, the bird seeker leaving his bracemate behind with only one thing in mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG3-s1lkEqs
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Re: Socialization

Postby vman » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:36 pm

Nice videos guys, and since you like videos, here's a few.


Very nice videos. Nice pup and even nicer country. :D
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Re: Socialization

Postby vman » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:40 pm

I got the last video working. This is my current litter at 4 weeks.
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Re: Socialization

Postby STait » Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:23 pm

Haha, good test of courage. Reminds me of the goslings bailing of the cliffs in Alaska.
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