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Razorback wrote:ow important should NAVHDA scores weigh against, coat preference, hunting style of parents, etc. When selecting a puppy?
Razorback wrote:Is a UT I dog worlds apart in natural ability from a UT III or does that come down to training or lack of in most cases?
Razorback wrote: Do some people get a UT III and never try again for a UT I ?



Razorback wrote:I had a breeder tell me that they will typically stop testing if the dog scores a UT III the first try...mainly because of having to travel so far for the test and the rest of the hunting ability/drive is gauged in the field.




Leslie wrote:My two cents... I think that combination of NA and Ut tests, provide a pretty good indication of what the do g is capable of doing. I combine that with what does the dog do during the hunting season, how is the dog around other dogs, kids and people. I will disagree with OR Hunter. He writes off show automatically. Is my dog a lesser dog because he hunts 60 days of the year, has an excellent NA score and well on his way to a UT this fall- BUT he also has points in the show ring? That is crazy.... He was shown for two major reasons. First he has very nice conformation and a really nice harsh coat. This conformation holds true in the field. He runs well- as opposed to my female with hip problems who has an awkward gait. The second reason I put him in the ring, is that I live in rural Montana and he doesn't see alot of people or male stud dogs. He is shy....The show ring has made a huge difference in getting him over his shyness and being comfortable in any situation. I train all summer, and I hunt.... He has spent four days in the ring...... So you prove to me that he is a lesser hunting dog because he has been shown. By the way, his dad Jacque is a VC and has a show title...... and I know that dog hunts well, because I have seen him.
Bottom line is just do research, and watch the parents in the field. If they have no drive or water interest it is obvious. Good conformation makes a big difference in how well the dog runs and it's longevity.
Leslie

Leslie wrote:My two cents... I think that combination of NA and Ut tests, provide a pretty good indication of what the do g is capable of doing. I combine that with what does the dog do during the hunting season, how is the dog around other dogs, kids and people. I will disagree with OR Hunter. He writes off show automatically. Is my dog a lesser dog because he hunts 60 days of the year, has an excellent NA score and well on his way to a UT this fall- BUT he also has points in the show ring? That is crazy.... He was shown for two major reasons. First he has very nice conformation and a really nice harsh coat. This conformation holds true in the field. He runs well- as opposed to my female with hip problems who has an awkward gait. The second reason I put him in the ring, is that I live in rural Montana and he doesn't see alot of people or male stud dogs. He is shy....The show ring has made a huge difference in getting him over his shyness and being comfortable in any situation. I train all summer, and I hunt.... He has spent four days in the ring...... So you prove to me that he is a lesser hunting dog because he has been shown. By the way, his dad Jacque is a VC and has a show title...... and I know that dog hunts well, because I have seen him.
Bottom line is just do research, and watch the parents in the field. If they have no drive or water interest it is obvious. Good conformation makes a big difference in how well the dog runs and it's longevity.
Leslie




Leslie wrote:I also would not buy a Griff from a purely show breeder without a bit more knowledge of that line and hunting background. I want a dog that hunts and has good conformation and a good coat. I have had soft Griffs that stick at my heals and an over the top Griff in drive. My latest Griff in UT training has a laid back attitude that is super biddable, but hunts big and tears up the water. He is a joy to be around. He also doesn't have the flash and dash that my high driving Kirin has, but is much more enjoyable to train, and he produces more birds. He isn't wound quite so tight. These are the qualities that I look for in a Griff. If I could breed the two and have a perfect mix, I think I would have the ultimate Griff. However, Kirin had some hip issues and I had her spayed.

Razorback wrote:Leslie wrote:I also would not buy a Griff from a purely show breeder without a bit more knowledge of that line and hunting background. I want a dog that hunts and has good conformation and a good coat. I have had soft Griffs that stick at my heals and an over the top Griff in drive. My latest Griff in UT training has a laid back attitude that is super biddable, but hunts big and tears up the water. He is a joy to be around. He also doesn't have the flash and dash that my high driving Kirin has, but is much more enjoyable to train, and he produces more birds. He isn't wound quite so tight. These are the qualities that I look for in a Griff. If I could breed the two and have a perfect mix, I think I would have the ultimate Griff. However, Kirin had some hip issues and I had her spayed.
The breeders I am talking to both hunt and are heavily involved in NAVHDA. The sire is very laid back in the house but really wired in the field and about 57 lbs. He did the drag, duck search, retrieve, perfect. However he needs more work at steadiness at the blind and that is preventing him from a prize I. He has a nice dense medium harsh coat. If I can get a pup to turn out like him I will be happy.



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