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Postby Calvinator » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:19 pm

I am told that the EC has passed a new ruling at the annual meeting that now requires both male and female to have a DNA before you can register the litter. That is a BS money making scheme.
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Re: new ruling

Postby ryanr » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:54 am

I don't know if it's true or not but how if it is how is that a money making scheme for NAVHDA? Are they providing the testing source?
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Re: new ruling

Postby JTracyII » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:49 pm

This may come back to bite NAVHDA eventually if breeders simply use another registery to register litters. What does it cost to DNA a dog?
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Re: new ruling

Postby blue04 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:59 pm

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Re: new ruling

Postby JTracyII » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:20 pm

When does the rule take effect?
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Re: new ruling

Postby Calvinator » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:56 pm

Regarding the NAVHDA Registry, the following motion was discussed and passed by the EC. Motion 19-19 - That the Registry committee develop a policy no later than April 1, 2019 that requires submission of DNA for both Sire and Dam before a litter may be registered with NAVHDA. Passed.

Several years ago when I had my stud done it was $65.
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Re: new ruling

Postby ryanr » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:01 pm

JTracyII wrote:This may come back to bite NAVHDA eventually if breeders simply use another registery to register litters. What does it cost to DNA a dog?


I doubt it. And I won't be surprised if you start seeing other registries doing the same. Folks that take their dogs to the Invitational are already doing this anyway.
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Re: new ruling

Postby flitecontrol » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:43 pm

I'm ignorant about DNA testing, but assume it's to detect genetic defects. If so, have they found any way to predict HD in the offspring?
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Re: new ruling

Postby Deuce » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:22 am

I'm confused on how this makes NAVHDA money?

The policy isn't done yet, as the note you posted says. I don't see in there where it requires breeders to use NAVHDA's kit. Am I missing something?
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Re: new ruling

Postby JTracyII » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:40 pm

I assume this policy is to ensure that we know which parents were used for X breeding and less to do with health screening. Is this right?
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Re: new ruling

Postby Drahthaar1108 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:25 pm

The VDD-GNA are already doing DNA test for the sire & bitch and the whole litter of pups. Forrest
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Re: new ruling

Postby JONOV » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:23 am

flitecontrol wrote:I'm ignorant about DNA testing, but assume it's to detect genetic defects. If so, have they found any way to predict HD in the offspring?

Its to insure the integrity of a breeding, so no one pulls a Ferrell.
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Re: new ruling

Postby flitecontrol » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:57 pm

JONOV wrote:
flitecontrol wrote:I'm ignorant about DNA testing, but assume it's to detect genetic defects. If so, have they found any way to predict HD in the offspring?

Its to insure the integrity of a breeding, so no one pulls a Ferrell.


So they can verify that the parents on the pedigree are the biological parents? How many instances of cheating have they found? That's going to increase the cost of a pup significantly I would think.

Reminds me of an instance where someone mishandled funds. The accountants came up with a foolproof way to detect such behavior early on in the future. Trouble is, it was going to cost 100 times more than what a few unscrupulous individuals had been able to get away with before being caught. Gotta weigh the pros and cons.
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Re: new ruling

Postby blue04 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:29 pm

flitecontrol wrote:That's going to increase the cost of a pup significantly I would think.


Maybe I'm missing something. I _think_ NAPPA (which is the only versatile breeders organization I have ANY experience with) already requires DNA for the sires. If that's true, we're talking about $55 per litter extra? Even if I'm wrong, it's $110 per litter.

With pups already selling for $1000 each or more, I don't see how and extra $50 - $100 per litter is going to increase the cost of pups very much.

To be clear, I'm not commenting on whether the extra DNA testing is needed or sensible. That's a different aspect of this. I just don't see the DNA testing cost as a prohibitive issue given the prices of pups.
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Re: new ruling

Postby ryanr » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:30 pm

flitecontrol wrote:
JONOV wrote:
flitecontrol wrote:I'm ignorant about DNA testing, but assume it's to detect genetic defects. If so, have they found any way to predict HD in the offspring?

Its to insure the integrity of a breeding, so no one pulls a Ferrell.


So they can verify that the parents on the pedigree are the biological parents? How many instances of cheating have they found? That's going to increase the cost of a pup significantly I would think.


It's a $55 test right?
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